steffan wrote:You seem to be so willing to buy into the PickledJoy smears, but you actually have a problem believing someone who does not publish allegations? Exactly your attitude/actions on bsda.
What was interesting was the contempt with which PickledJoy regards your friends at bsda - Calvin and Clay - once they saw that bsda had closed the 3ABN thread.
I noticed that also... might as well have spit in Calvin's face as far as I am concerned, as was total disrespect and ingratitude imo. They left and as far as I can tell don't go back, at least I never see them there, reading, posting, chatting with their former "friends" or even playing in the arcade. It is my feeling that BSDA was used as a means to an end, and when that could not be done anymore, the group left there just as they had previously left Stan's forum before that, and moved to Adventtalk. Fortunately, or maybe revealingly, both times the ugliness, and unpleasantness left with them and now they have their own little space on the net to showcase that themselves...
One thing that disturbs me though in this thread is the claims that negative opinions came from DS, or that Pickle and Joy just confirmed all that they were already convinced of, and they don't believe the "Pickle Joy smears" and didn't get their beliefs and opinions from them. Why does this bother me?
!.) Those saying they got all they believe from Danny Shelton, don't know DS, never even met him, nor have they talked to him, or ever questioned him themselves, they don't watch 3abn, have never been there, and only know what they have read on the internet yet keep on claiming they got it from DS, and that's why they don't like him, or believe he is guilty or wrong etc. They are entitled to their opinions, as am I, but what is it really based on? They got zero of that from Danny Shelton, what they got was all from Danny's accusers, all designed to make them believe the way they do now. Select quotes and emails, partial info about or from him. All twisted, misconstrewed or even outright false witness and false conclusions posted with it. All reported and published by those accusing 3abn and Danny Shelton. And that is enough for them? they think Danny told them about himself? Through the mouths and spins of his accusers? Give me a break!
If any want to know me, or about me I hope they will come and talk to me and not trust my enemies or accusers and what they say and quote from me with their spin, and think that it is the same thing. For it is not.
2.) And of course Pickle and Joy didn't convince Princess Di, and would only confirm what she had already been convinced of.. as she posted here. She's been involved in these discussions almost from the beginning back in 2004, and was convinced by the same group she befriended, and the same unsubstantiated ugliness, rumors, gossip and libel that Pickle and Joy were convinced by, and of, and lapped up without diligent questioning after her...
It is interesting to me that the group who actually seems to have started it all, seems to be made up of Linda's friends and supporters, and those they brought into it... Darrell Mundall, Johann Thorvaldsson, Kristina Fiscalini, Lynda Walcker(sp), then Lynette Rhodes, etc... That group have imo used Pickle and Joy's also as a means to an end, rallying behind them and becoming their "anonymous" sources, and their defenders, letting them stand in the forefront and champion their agenda, while never having to prove one thing they say.
I personally would have liked to see the lawsuit carried out to the end, so they would all have had to be accountable for every idle word they spoke, and all the unfounded stories they told, and the unsubstantiated allegations and rumors they spread. One reason for that is they sucked so many in by just repeating things over and over until those who read it just accepted it as established facts, and trusted the ones telling them these things. Assuming it was established facts and all knew this like them. They didn't, and still won't today question where each thing came from, who it came from or what the whole story was, or what all the facts were, and yet despite not being able to site any kind of evidence or proof when asked, they continue to believe their negative opinions and judgments are justified. Spouting negativity as facts they claim they are being fair and think they are. Sadly, propaganda works.
Koolaid can taste so sweet, actually imo sickeningly sweet, but drinking poison without question can kill you,and becomes even worse when the koolaid drinker is convinced it's all good, and shares it with another saying "trust me".
NOT, don't trust me either please. Ask questions and prove things before believing or accepting anything, and no offense intended here, but please support your own claims, and statements or I am not going to believe you or accept what you say either.
My 2 cents..