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Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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Adventtalk Admin wrote:"Sorry Ian, you are banned from using this forum!
Violation of forum rule 1. 7 day ban imposed."
What did I do?

I posted the following in reply to Gailon Joy's post, and then they deleted my entire post and banned me.

Adventtalk. thread: Joy Vs 3ABN, Shelton, Atty's Pucci, Hayes, Duffy, et al.

Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on May 14, 2008, 12:22:20 PM:
Case number 1:08-cv-40090 is now on PACER

Yes, the adversarial proceeding in BK court is now transferred to the US District Court and another front is opened.

As some may know, the Attorneys for 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton will be defendants in this matter and their conflict of interest becomes self evident.

I have posted it so the curious can follow it in the US District Court on PACER. So, Ian and Gregory, you have a reference with which to follow and give your analysis.

Gailon Arthur Joy


Well you were certainly silent and gone for awhile... Seeing your recent posts here I wondered what had rattled your cage...

IMO The truth has a way of prevailing,-- as you know and even claim here very frequently-- so there was no need for either of us to previously give our analysis, and comment to just provide you further opportunity to argue, spew, boast, or bicker, as that would imo solve/resolve nothing and cause nothing but further unfruitful debate and contention. Better to wait on the Court to rule, right?

And the facts were: You had quite obviously already been found in contempt of court and had sanctions of 1000 dollars imposed against you in your bankruptcy case, and already had your adversarial proceedings dismissed once:


[quote=" Pacer Court Docket Text
"DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
Procceeding Memorandum/Order"]

Matter: #4 Motion of Defendants, Danny Lee Shelton, Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc, to Dismiss Adversary Proceedings and # 15 Opposition of Debtor."


"Order Granting [4] Motion filed by Defendants Danny Lee Shelton, Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. to Dismiss Adversary Proceeding. #4 GRANTED. PLAINTIFF [G.A.Joy] HAS FAILED TO ALLEGE ALL ELEMENTS OF 11 U.S.C. 362 UNDER THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE SUPREME COURT BELL ATLANTIC CASE. PLAINTIFF SHALL HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY 11, 2008 TO FILE AN AMENDED COMPLAINT.
Since you were granted a second chance, and subsequently filed that amended complaint, and the District court has now ruled on that and your adversarial proceedings, claims, and attempts to get a judgment against DS and the 3ABN Attorneys to the tune of just under 40,000 it is my opinion that things have changed and that it is now time for an update and response to your post here, Gailon.

Per the Pacer court docket entry:-----> Case Closed 12/08/09

DEFENDANTS’ MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT wrote: NOW COME Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. (“3ABN”), Danny Lee Shelton (“Shelton”), John P. Pucci (“Pucci”), Jerrie M. Hayes (“Hayes”), Gerald S. Duffy (“Duffy”), Fierst, Pucci & Kane LLP (“Fierst Pucci”), and Siegel Brill Gruepner Duffy & Foster, P.A. (“Siegel Brill”), Defendants in the above-captioned proceeding, pursuant to Fed. R. Bank. P.7056 and Fed. R. Civ. P. 56, as well as Local Rules 7.1 and 56.1, and hereby file this Motion for Summary Judgment, along with the accompanying Statement of Material Facts, Memorandum of Reasons and Affidavit of Gerald S. Duffy. Defendants seek Summary Judgment as to the entireclaim asserted by Debtor, Gailon Arthur Joy (“Joy”), in his Amended Adversarial Complaint. In support thereof, Defendants rely on the material facts of record as to which there is no genuine issue to be tried as set forth in the accompanying Statement of Material Facts (and as established by the affidavit, Rule 2004 Examination transcript, and other documentation referenced therein and submitted therewith), as well as the reasons set forth in the accompanying Memorandum of Reasons.

WHEREFORE, 3ABN, Shelton, Pucci, Hayes, Duffy, Fierst Pucci, and Siegel Brill respectfully request that this Honorable Court grant Summary Judgment in their favor as to the entire claim asserted by Joy in his Amended Adversarial Complaint and grant whatever other and further relief as this Honorable Court deems fair and just.
PACER court docket entry:11 wrote:
Filed & Entered: 12/08/2009
Order on Motion for Summary Judgment Docket Text: Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV: MEMORANDUM AND ORDER entered granting Motion for Summary Judgment.
DEFENDANTS’ STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS wrote:
1. On April 6, 2007, Three Angels Broadcasting Network (“3ABN”) and Danny Lee Shelton (“Shelton”) commenced an action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts against Gailon Arthur Joy (“Joy”) and one other Defendant, Robert Pickle (“Pickle”), entitled Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., an Illinois non-profit corporation. and Danny Lee Shelton v. Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, docketed as Case No. 4:07-cv-
40098-FDS (“Civil Action”).1 See Civil Action Docket.

2. The Complaint in the Civil Action alleged inter alia that Joy and Pickle were infringing on 3ABN’s trademarks and publishing defamatory statements about 3ABN and Shelton on the Internet. The Complaint sought damages for Joy and Pickle’s conduct, as well as injunctive relief requiring that Joy and Pickle stop infringing on 3ABN’s trademarks. See Civil Action Complaint (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc. No. 1). 3. 3ABN and Shelton are represented in the Civil Action by the law firm of Siegel Brill Greupner Duffy & Foster, P.A. (“Siegel Brill”), including Attorneys Gerald S. Duffy (“Duffy”) and Jerrie M. Hayes (“Hayes”), as well as by the law firm of Fierst, Pucci & Kane LLP (“Fierst Pucci”), including Attorney John P. Pucci (“Pucci”), as local counsel. See Civil Action Docket. 4. Joy proceeded pro se in the Civil Action. Pickle initially was represented by Attorney Laird Heal (“Heal”), although on November 10, 2007, he also filed his appearance pro se. See Civil Action Docket and Pickle Notice of Appearance (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc. No. 31).

5. On August 9, 2007, this Court held an evidentiary hearing in the Civil Action in consideration of a dispute between the parties concerning the form for production of electronic and electronically-stored information. See Electronic Clerk’s Notes (Civil Action Docket).

1 On November 3, 2008, Judge Saylor entered an Order dismissing the Civil Action without prejudice based on a Motion for Voluntary Dismissal filed by 3ABN and Shelton. See November 3, 2008 Order (Civil Action Docket, ECF No. 129). While Joy and Pickle did not assert any counterclaims in the Civil Action, they have nevertheless
appealed the Order of dismissal and the appeal is pending before the First Circuit Court of Appeals. See Notice of Appeal (Civil Action Docket, ECF No. 133). Moreover, on April 27, 2009, Joy and Pickle filed a Motion to Reconsider and to Amend Findings with respect to Judge Saylor’s Orders of April 13 and 15, 2009 concerning Joy and Pickle’s Motion for Costs and Motion for Leave to File Under Seal, respectively. See Motion for Reconsideration and memorandum in Support (Civil Action Docket, ECF Nos. 169 and 170). Case 4:08-cv-40090-FDS Document 10 Filed 05/15/2009


6. Following that hearing, on August 13, 2007, this Court issued an Order in the Civil Action that the parties submit proposed orders with respect to the format that any electronically-stored information should be provided to the opposing party within 14 days. See August 13, 2007 Electronic Order (Civil Action Docket).

7. On August 14, 2007, Joy filed a Voluntary Petition under the provisions of Chapter 7 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (“Bankruptcy Case”). See Ex. 1 submitted herewith (Bankruptcy Case Docket). The Bankruptcy Case is pending before the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Massachusetts, docketed as Case No. 07-43128-JBR. See id
.
8. Joy is represented in the Bankruptcy Case by Attorney Heal. See Bankruptcy Case Docket.

9. Joy did not list either 3ABN or Shelton as creditors in his Bankruptcy Schedules,despite the fact that 3ABN and Shelton had pending claims against him for monetary damages in the Civil Action; accordingly, neither 3ABN nor Shelton received notice from the Bankruptcy Court that Joy had filed his Bankruptcy Case. See Bankruptcy Petition (Adversarial Case Docket No. 4:08-cv-0090-FDS, ECF Doc. No. 2-10).

10. Nor did 3ABN, Shelton, or any of their attorneys receive notice from Heal or Joy that Joy had filed his Bankruptcy Case. See Ex. 2 submitted herewith (Affidavit of Gerald S. Duffy, hereinafter “Duffy Aff.”), at ¶5 11. Pursuant to this Court’s August 13, 2007 Order in the Civil Action, which issued one day before his filing of the Voluntary Petition, Joy submitted his proposed order regarding
the production of electronically-stored information, along with an accompanying memorandum of law, on August 27, 2007. See Proposed Order and Memorandum of Law (Civil Action Case 4:08-cv-40090-FDS Document 10 ) Joy did not make any reference in either of these two pleadings to the fact that he had filed his Bankruptcy Case two weeks earlier. See id. As a pro se litigant in the Civil Action, Joy electronically signed these two documents himself, but they were filed through his bankruptcy attorney’s (Laird Heal’s) ECF account. See Notices of Electronic Filing (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc Nos. 26 and 27).

12. On or around August 29, 2007, counsel for 3ABN and Shelton learned of Joy’s Bankruptcy Case by undertaking a “party search” on PACER in the ordinary course of preparing the Civil Action. See Duffy Aff., at ¶6.

13. On September 13, 2007, Attorney Hayes sent a letter to Attorney Heal. See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at Ex. 6 (Sept. 13, 2007 letter) (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 2-14). In that letter, Hayes advised Heal that 3ABN and Shelton had learned of Joy’s Bankruptcy Petition and that: Under our reading of all applicable bankruptcy statutes and rules, the automatic stay suspends all pending activity involving Gailon Joy in the matter of 3ABN v. Joy and Pickle, thus prohibiting any additional pleadings by Mr. Joy and precluding Mr. Joy’s involvement in discovery and pretrial practice in this case. We also believe the automatic stay applies until such time as relief from the automatic stay is ordered by the Bankruptcy Court upon Plaintiffs’ motion for such. See id. Hayes further expressed that Heal’s continued representation of Pickle in the Civil Action, while he was also representing Joy in the Bankruptcy Case, represented an irreconcilable conflict of interest. See id.14. On October 24, 2007, 3ABN and Shelton, through their attorneys, filed a Motion for Status Conference in the Civil Action. See Motion for Status Conference (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc. No. 29). In this document, 3ABN and Shelton advised this Court that Joy had filed his Bankruptcy Petition and requested a status conference to address the issue of preservation of electronic evidence stored on the Debtor’s computer equipment given that Joy had listed “electronic office equipment” as a personal property asset, and 3ABN and Shelton were concerned that the equipment might be seized and/or liquidated by Joy’s Chapter 7 Trustee.
See id. In the Motion, 3ABN and Shelton also advised the Court of the perceived conflict of interest in Heal’s continued representation of Pickle in the Civil Action, while he was simultaneously representing Joy in his Bankruptcy Case. See id. Joy did not file an opposition to Plaintiffs’ Motion for Status Conference (see Civil Action Docket), nor provide any prior notification that he considered the status conference or his attendance to be violative of the stay.

15. In response to the Motion for Status Conference, this Court issued an Order on November 2, 2007 granting the Motion, scheduling the requested status conference for November 13, 2007, and ordering Joy to provide the Court, 3ABN, and Shelton with a listing of all of his electronic equipment and to make that equipment available for mirror imaging at 3ABN and Shelton’s expense, with the mirror images to be placed under seal and not made available to 3ABN and Shelton absent further order of the Court. See November 2, 2007 Order (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc. No. 30-2).

16. On November 5, 2007, Attorney Hayes faxed and mailed a letter to Attorney Heal, in his capacity as counsel for Pickle in the Civil Action, enclosing and serving upon him the Court’s November 2, 2007 Order. See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at Ex. 4 (Nov. 5,2007 letter) (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 2-12). In the letter, Hayes indicated that she would be contacting Joy “separately to arrange for the date and time for the data imaging.” See id.

17. On November 6 and November 9, 2007, Hayes faxed and mailed two letters to Joy in connection with setting up the mirror imaging ordered by this Court on November 2. See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at Ex. 3 (Nov. 6, 2007 letter) and Ex. 5 (Nov. 9, 2007 letter)
(Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. Nos. 2-11 and 2-13).

18. On November 13, 2007, 3ABN and Shelton filed a Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay in the Bankruptcy Case, along with a Motion for Expedited Determination. See Ex. 3 submitted herewith (Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay) and Ex. 4 submitted herewith (Motion for Expedited Determination). In the Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay, 3ABN and Shelton advised the Bankruptcy Court of the status conference that was
scheduled to occur that day in the Civil Action. See Ex. 3, at ¶19.
19. Later that same day, this Court held the scheduled status conference at the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts sitting in Boston. See November 13, 2007 Electronic Clerk’s Notes (Civil Action Docket).

20. Attorneys Duffy and Pucci appeared at that conference on behalf of 3ABN and Shelton. See Duffy Aff., at ¶7. Joy also attended the status conference. See November 13, 2007
Electronic Clerk’s Notes (Civil Action Docket). The conference addressed the issues raised by 3ABN and Shelton in the Motion for Status Conference, namely the preservation of electronic evidence and the potential conflict of interest in Heal’s continued representation of Pickle in the Civil Action. See id. During the conference, Attorneys Duffy and Pucci advised the Court that 3ABN and Shelton had filed their Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay in the Bankruptcy Case earlier that day. See id.

21. On November 14, 2007, Joy filed his initial Complaint in this adversarial proceeding. See Ex. 1 submitted herewith (Bankruptcy Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 20). 22. Thereafter, on November 16, 2007, 3ABN and Shelton, through their attorneys,filed an emergency Motion for Status Conference in the Civil Action. See November 16, 2007 Emergency Motion (Civil Action Docket, ECF Doc. No. 32). In the Emergency Motion, 3ABN, Shelton, and their attorneys advised this Court that Joy had initiated an adversarial proceeding and asked this Honorable Court to address the stay issue rather than proceed with the mirrorimaging protocol as ordered by the Court on November 2. See id.23. In response, this Court issued an Order reserving ruling on the Emergency Motion for a Status Conference and staying its November 2 Order regarding mirror-imaging Joy’s electronic equipment pending further Order of the Court. See November 16, 2007 Electronic Order (Civil Action Docket). The copying of Joy’s hard drive, therefore, did not take place. On November 19, 2007, this Court issued a further Order denying the Emergency Motion for a Status Conference without prejudice to 3ABN’s and Shelton’s right to renew the motion after
obtaining relief from the automatic stay. See November 19, 2007 Electronic Order (Civil Action Docket). 24. On November 20, 2007, Joy filed an Opposition to 3ABN’s and Shelton’s Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay. See Ex. 5 submitted herewith (Opposition to Motion for Relief from the Automatic Stay).

25. On November 21, 2007, the Bankruptcy Court issued an Order lifting the Automatic Stay so as to allow 3ABN and Shelton to continue to prosecute the Civil Action against Joy as to injunctive relief, provided that neither 3ABN nor Shelton sought damages on
account of any prepetition claim against Joy. See Ex. 6 submitted herewith (November 21, 2007 Order).

26. On February 11, 2008, Joy filed his Amended Adversarial Complaint, which is currently pending before this Court. See Amended Adversarial Complaint (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 2-8). (Joy filed his Amended Complaint after his original complaint was dismissed by the Bankruptcy Court because he had failed to allege any damages he supposedly suffered as a result of any alleged violations of the automatic stay. See Ex. 7 submitted herewith (February 1, 2008 Order)).

27. In his Amended Adversarial Complaint, Joy alleges that he spent “at least” 10 hours “answering the messages of the Defendants in violation of the Automatic Stay, preparing to meet the orders of the district court during the pendency of the Automatic Stay, and attending the status conference hearing . . ..” See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at ¶28. Joy further alleges that he “cannot quantify his lost profits [in connection with the at least 10 hours of time, but that] he has in the past done paralegal work and been compensated at twenty-five dollars per hour, making a calculation of his personal loss of earnings some 250.00.” See id. Joy also alleges that the Court’s November 2 Order made “it impossible for [him] to conduct his normal business operations.” See id., at ¶¶34, 42.

28. Joy further alleges that he “incurred legal costs and fees in the sum of one thousand five hundred ninety-three dollars and sixty cents ($1,593.60) at 7.85 hours plus costs, prior to the filing of this Adversary Proceeding . . ..” See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at
¶29.

29. Joy thereafter requests a Judgment in his favor for damages in the amount of $250, plus attorneys’ fees and costs of $1,593.60, as well as punitive damages in the amount of $35,000. See Amended Adversarial Complaint, at last two (unnumbered) pages “Wherefore”
section).

30. On February 21, 2008, defendants 3ABN and Shelton filed a Motion to Dismiss Amended Complaint, or in the Alternative, to Treat Adversary Proceeding as a Contested Matter Under Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 9014. See February 21, 2008 Motion to Dismiss (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 3). On February 22, 2008, Defendants Pucci and Fierst Pucci filed their own Motion to Dismiss Amended Complaint, adopting 3ABN and Shelton’s
motion in its entirety. See February 22, 2008 Motion to Dismiss (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 4). Also on February 22, 2008, Defendants Siegel, Brill, Greupner, Duffy & Foster, P.A., Duffy and Hayes filed an answer incorporating by reference the Motion to Dismiss. (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 2-15). Joy filed his opposition to these motions on April 25, 2008. See April 25, 2008 Opposition (Adversarial Case Docket, ECF Doc. No. 5).

31. On September 9, 2008, 3ABN and Shelton took Joy’s examination under oath pursuant to Rule 2004 of the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure. See Ex. 8 submitted herewith (Portions of Transcript of Examination, hereinafter “Transcript”), at p. 1
.
32. In the examination, Joy was asked about specific employment or income opportunities he lost in connection with attending the status conference that allegedly took place in violation of the stay. He testified as follows:

Q: How many conferences did you attend in the District Court or
hearings did you attend in the District Court personally in
connection with ---

A: I’ve attended all hearings, so whatever was during that period
of time, I attended them.

Q: I believe that the only hearing that took place prior to the lifting
of the stay that is at question was the November 13, 2007 status
conference.

A: That’s not true. We had a whole hearing on the production of
the—we had a—let me think. We had a---I’m trying to remember
the date on that. We had a full hearing before the judge magistrate.

Q: In connection with your attendance at those hearings, did you
have to reschedule any appointments or anything that would have
otherwise led to income opportunities.
. . .

A: I don’t recall the dates of the hearings or what the
circumstances were. If it’s a question of whether or not there was
a huge income opportunity, I seriously doubt it given the fact that
we were in bankruptcy. I can’t imagine anybody in bankruptcy—
but I guess there’s some people that don’t really have bankruptcies
that file for bankruptcy—but mine was a real bankruptcy.

Q: So it’s your testimony then that you were not deprived of any
real income producing opportunities as a result of your having to
attend the hearings?

A: How would I know? I wouldn’t know. If I was attending
hearings, how would I know if I missed something?

Q: Were there any messages?

A: Let’s put it this way. If I would have earned it, I probably
wouldn’t have gotten paid anyway, so what difference does it
make?
See Transcript, at pp. 70-72.

33. Joy also testified about his valuation in his Amended Adversarial Complaint of $250 for his time in responding to the alleged violations of the automatic stay based on prior
work as a paralegal:

Q: And you say that you had in the past done paralegal work in
attempting to affix a dollar value to the time that you say you
spent. Have you ever worked as a paralegal?

A: Yes.

Q: When?

A: Oh, I have worked—I worked for—I worked three days a week
working with a firm in Vermont from probably around ’84
through—I think the last case I did up there was ’93, ’94
somewhere in there. . . .. . . It was a part-time thing.

Q: Part-time thing, at the same time as you were working other
jobs?

A: Oh, sure, yeah. Since then I have on occasion worked with
attorneys on other cases. See Transcript, at pp. 81-82.

34. As to other supposed sources of income or “normal business operations” during the time period in which Joy allegedly spent 10 hours in dealing with the alleged stay violations in October and November 2007, Joy testified as follows:

Q: So your testimony just now is that you were the branch
manager for New England Merchants Corporation. When did it
close? When did it go out of business, as you say?

A: Let’s see. I guess it was probably in July. I don’t remember
the date. Sometime in July.

Q: Of last year?

A: Yeah.

Q: 2007?

A: Something like that, yeah. But it actually—we ended up—it
took us a while to finish up, cleaning out the records, and we didn’t
finish that until sometime in probably September, October, because
we had several years’ worth of records there. See Transcript, at p. 21.

Q: What, sir, have you done for gainful employment, for income,
since the closing of NEMCO, which you said took place in roughly
July or August 2007?

A: Well, actually we didn’t finish up until probably September or
October, something like that. I can’t remember when it was.

Q: When you say you didn’t finish up, are you saying that you
continued to be paid for a little while longer?

A: We didn’t get paid. As you can see, we didn’t get paid. We
were supposed to get paid. We didn’t get paid. As a matter of
fact, we didn’t get credit for any of our work that was done in July
or August.

Q: Okay. So your last income then was when?

A: You mean with NEMCO?

Q: From NEMCO, yes.

A: Apparently July. I didn’t get paid beyond that.

Q: What have you done—what do you do now for income?

A: Well, if the question is a post-petition question, when I left
NEMCO, I went to work with First American Mortgage Trust
again.See Transcript, at pp. 63-64.

Q: When did you go back to work for First American Mortgage
Trust?

A: In November maybe, late November.

Q: Late November?

A: Sometime in November. I don’t remember when. You know
what? I may have been putting in accounts in October. I don’t
recall. I’d have to look and see. I have no clue, to be honest with
you. . . .

Q: Were you an employee from November to January of First
American Mortgage Trust?

A: Well, I was an account exec for them, but didn’t get paid
during that period.

Q: You never got paid anything from them.

A: No. The company collapsed. They took the money with them.

Q: So you worked for two months or so and never received any
compensation.

A: Well, I received about $3,000 in December, I think, if I recall.

Q: Subsequent to First American Mortgage Trust’s failure, have
you worked for somebody else or something else?

A: I tried several things. Nothing seems to have gained traction
yet significantly.

Q: My specific question is have you worked for somebody else?
Have you been an employee with another firm or another company
since January of 2008?

A: I haven’t—not really, no. I have talked to several, but we’ve
never consummated a deal. See Transcript, at pp. 65-66.

35. Joy also testified at his deposition as to his expectation of what would happen with the Civil Action based upon his filing his Bankruptcy Case:

Q: What I want to understand is whether you had an expectation
that the District Court litigation would stop as a result of the
bankruptcy filing?

A: No. I did not.

Q: You did not have an expectation that the District Court
litigation would stop?

A: Why would I? I had produced documentation --

Q: Did you expect it to continue in fact --

A: I did not consider 3ABN to be a creditor.

Q: So therefore did you expect the District Court litigation to
continue notwithstanding your bankruptcy filing?

A: Once they put a notice of bankruptcy on the record, they put
themselves in a position where they should have stopped, and they
didn’t do it. I didn’t put it on the record; they did. And they
utilized that petition maliciously.

Q: If 3ABN and Danny Shelton had not put on the record that you
were in bankruptcy, and they proceeded with the litigation in the
normal course, would you have done anything to stop it?


A: Can’t imagine. There was --

Q: The question is would you have done anything to stop the
litigation?

A: I can’t imagine that I would have done anything to stop the
litigation at that point other than exactly what--the thing that
precipitated the entire issue was they put it on record, and then
they abused it and used it maliciously to do something that they
should never have done. See Transcript, at pp. 161-63.

Q: So would you have been all right if they simply proceeded with
what they were --

A: I would have been, except what they did was they used it as the
basis to try to come after hard drives. That’s what they did. They
were malicious.

Q: But you have no problem with the fact that they proceeded
against you in the District Court litigation, notwithstanding your
bankruptcy filing? You had a problem because they were going
after the hard drive?

A: You know what? I wouldn’t have had a problem with that if
they had come to us in the right circumstances. But to do it in a
malicious way that they did made it absolutely unacceptable, and
that’s been classic for them, malicious activity. See Transcript, at pp. 158-59.

Q: So you didn’t consider that the automatic stay was in place
because you didn’t consider 3ABN and Shelton creditors?

A: You were not creditors and you’re not to this date.

Q: Who’s not? You’re saying “you,” but for clarity on the record,
who’s “you”?

A: The plaintiffs, Shelton and 3ABN, were not creditors at the
time I filed [for bankruptcy] and they are still not creditors to this
date.

Q: So to be clear, you do not consider that evidentiary hearing to
have taken place in violation of the automatic stay?

A: As I said, we did not consider you creditors.

Q: So is your answer no, it wasn’t in violation of the automatic
stay because 3ABN and Shelton were not creditors?

A: We had not invoked the automatic stay, and proceeded to
defend the case.

Q: Is it your belief that you did invoke the automatic stay at some
point?

A: We did not. You did.
. . .
A: Absolutely. They invoked the automatic stay. We did not
invoke the automatic stay. We did not consider you creditors.
You made yourselves creditors artificially.See Transcript, at pp. 178-181.

Q: Is it your position that the bankruptcy filing did not affect or shouldn’t affect the District Court action?

A: Didn’t think about it one way or the other.

Q: Didn’t think about it one way or the other?

A: Nope. 3ABN was not on my mind when I filed bankruptcy believe me. It is the last thing on my mind when I filed bankruptcy.

See Transcript, at p. 125.

36. According to Joy, once this Court learned of the Bankruptcy Case, “something happened, and suddenly the judge magistrate realized that he had a little problem; that there was a bankruptcy hearing and he had to deal with that issue first, so he reversed his order.” See Transcript, at p. 80.

Respectfully Submitted,
SIEGEL, BRILL, GREUPNER,
Dated: May 15, 2009 DUFFY & FOSTER, P.A.
/s/ M. Gregory Simpson
Gerald S. Duffy (MN #24703)
M. Gregory Simpson (MN # 204560)
Kristin L. Kingsbury (MN #0346664)
100 Washington Avenue South
Suite 1300
Minneapolis, MN 55401
Telephone: 612-337-6100
Facsimile: 612-339-6591

and
HENDEL & COLLINS, P.C.
George I. Roumeliotis (BBO #564943)
101 State Street
Springfield, MA 01103
Telephone: 413-734-6411
Facsimile: 413-734-8069

and
FIERST, PUCCI & KANE, LLP
John P. Pucci, Esq., BBO #407560
J. Lizette Richards, BBO #649413
64 Gothic Street
Northampton, MA 01060
Telephone: 413-584-8067
Facsimile: 413-585-078
Attorneys for Defendants Three Angels
Broadcasting Network, Inc., Danny Lee Shelton,
John P. Pucci, Jerrie M. Hayes, Gerald S. Duffy,
Fierst, Pucci & Kane LLP, and Siegel Brill
Gruepner Duffy & Foster, P.A.


PACER court docket entry:12 wrote: Filed & Entered: 12/08/2009Judgment
Docket Text: Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV: ORDER entered. JUDGMENT in favor of Defendants[DS, 3ABN ATTYs] against Plaintiff.[G.A.Joy]


So, that part is very clear, and a proper analysis done now, eh?

...ian

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Re: Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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It has been my experience that those with the weakest position get the most hostile when challenged.
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Re: Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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Stan wrote:It has been my experience that those with the weakest position get the most hostile when challenged.
Yep, mine too, and I also thought it rather rude myself as Joy had previously and most thoughtfully posted the following so we could follow the case on Pacer, and he had personally invited me, as well as Gregory Matthews, to comment and reply in his topic there :P
Joy wrote:I have posted it so the curious can follow it in the US District Court on PACER. So, Ian and Gregory, you have a reference with which to follow and give your analysis.
Maybe he meant only if he won, and not if the following occurred :?:
Filed & Entered: 12/08/2009 Judgment
Docket Text: Judge F. Dennis Saylor, IV: ORDER entered. JUDGMENT in favor of Defendants[DS, 3ABN ATTYs] against Plaintiff.[G.A.Joy]
But it is my personal opinion that Joy is a very vocal, bold, blunt, opinionated man who is not afraid of arguments or people disagreeing with him and actually invites that, and altho I disagree strongly with him, I feel he also thinks and believes the truth has nothing to hide and can rebut all opposition and doesn't fear that, or need to silence it, so what I consider to be more likely is that it is just business as usual and the Adventtalk Administrators and Moderators at Pickle and Joys forum are just continuing to administrate their forum rules on those who disagree with them under that banner they boldly wave, as announced and demonstrated to all who go there, and as administered on all who disagree with them and who aren't one of them. :!:
1st Amendment Under Attack!
We don't like it (who would?) but are used to it, and of course their biased censorship, and one sidedness is the only reason this forum became necessary, and continues to operate, and why they find it necessary to so strongly enforce their unwritten rule of never naming our forum here, and no references or linking to this forum or anything on this forum being allowed there, as well as Fawcett's personal rule about not speaking negatively or critically of them or their forum anywhere on the internet as that is a unforgivable sin, and banning offense ;)

Anyway, they obviously want to control us and dictate what can be said or published and made known, but really can't, and I am done speaking critically and negatively about them for now, I just wish they could really see themselves...

Have a good day!
~ Cindy
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Re: Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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You were banned Ian because as usual AT doesn't want to know the real truth. They would not have banned you if they were interested in the real truth. They don't even want to read the Pacer documents. Heads in the sand syndrome. Another name for it is stubborn rebellion.

But I've noticed for the last several years even on BSDA that if those who stood up for 3ABN got too close to the truth, they would be banned. There were posters who were mean and very cruel (yet claimed to be SDA) with their words over on BSDA but their posts were untouched--even though they broke the rules over and over again. Those who stood up for truth were often banned.

Is this an example of what will happen at the end of time? EGW said some of our worst enemies would be SDA. I think 3ABN has found this to be true as well as those who stood up for them during this crisis.

But God has protected 3ABN and his workers too. The work will be carried forward because God is in it. Praise His Name.
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Re: Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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Truth wrote:You were banned Ian because as usual AT doesn't want to know the real truth. They would not have banned you if they were interested in the real truth. They don't even want to read the Pacer documents. Heads in the sand syndrome. Another name for it is stubborn rebellion.

But I've noticed for the last several years even on BSDA that if those who stood up for 3ABN got too close to the truth, they would be banned. There were posters who were mean and very cruel (yet claimed to be SDA) with their words over on BSDA but their posts were untouched--even though they broke the rules over and over again. Those who stood up for truth were often banned.

Is this an example of what will happen at the end of time? EGW said some of our worst enemies would be SDA. I think 3ABN has found this to be true as well as those who stood up for them during this crisis.

But God has protected 3ABN and his workers too. The work will be carried forward because God is in it. Praise His Name.
Hey, :)

Yes, I think maybe we are being trained and made ready for much harder times, and to learn how to stand for right and not be easily offended, or let that be a stumbling block to ourselves or others, and that is a VERY good thing. Sometimes we as humans get confused about truth, but God isn't, and there will always be those who hate it, and fight it, at least in this age. But-- He is truth. I take comfort in the story of when Jesus rode into Jerusalem triumphantly as a King. He was chastized, for the exuberence and loudness of his supporters and those who cheered, and He replied " if these were silent the very rocks would cry out". Really, it is my belief that God doesn't need us, He will make His truth known, regardless of what we say or don't, and He will win and His truth will prevail, but he wants us to learn and so he calls us. We need it, and He knows what we need to learn and grow, and so gives us all. Kewl, huh?

Yes, praise His name, Isn't He wonderful!?! :D

Hugs...
~ Cindy
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Re: Banned - for posting case update in Reply to Joy

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Synthian wrote:
Adventtalk Admin wrote:"Sorry Ian, you are banned from using this forum!
Violation of forum rule 1. 7 day ban imposed."
What did I do?

I posted the following in reply to Gailon Joy's post, and then they deleted my entire post and banned me.
I have posted a follow up to this with an apology from Snoopy, Here
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