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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Donna » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:02 pm America/Denver

Thank you, Jamie, for searching out yet another truth in this matter.

All along there have been those who truly stand for the truth and search it out. They are not ones who walk in fear or can be intimidated. These same ones have been personally accused of anything and everything yet they remain at their posts for the Lord. They are not ones who have been asked or hired to do so by anyone or thing on this earth. Also, anyone who would even suggest cultism of any kind is way off base and far from the truth. Their only reason for standing by 3ABN is because they are very much aware of the Lord's truth being presented by 3ABN. They realize the value of that and especially in these last days when sin runs rampant throughout our world. Standing for the Lord's work at 3ABN is like David standing for the Lord in front of the Israilites when they were being taunted by the Philistine Giant. David went forward in faith, trusting the Lord to work through him. So it is with the workers at 3ABN and those who stand by them. Like the song says, "Stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of the cross. Lift high your royal banner, it must not suffer loss."

Jamie Smith wrote:Latest deletion, that I know of..


After posters on AT, starting with Johann, I believe, claimed that the prosecution would use Alex Walker's family to help him, {Those whom the defense--not the prosecution-- were calling as witnesses) was rebutted... one of the alleged victims, Alex, challenged posters on adventtalk to contact his family, to see who was telling the truth, and so that was done...

My very very condensed and mild version of what Alex's family had to say was posted last night in reply to Adam.(Alex's roommate and lover-- Sorry, but that's what his family all say...)

This morning, It was confirmed to me once again that adventtalk doesn't want the truth, or to get to that, or answers to their own questions or demands even posted there. Those claims are apparently all show.

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Re: BREAKING NEWS - Tommy Shelton pleads guilty, faces possible prison time
« Reply #59 on: Yesterday at 05:44:16 PM »


Entire post deleted due to inappropriate content.


« Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:02:07 PM by Snoopy


Here is the deleted post:


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Re: BREAKING NEWS - Tommy Shelton pleads guilty, faces possible prison time
« Reply #59 on: Today at 05:44:16 PM »

from: Adam on July 21, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Sam, Sam, Sam. In fact yes, I do know Alex's mother.


Not so fast, Adam.. You aren't the only one. Others do too, actually far better than yourself, and she is not at all happy about Alex coming on line and telling all she was going to be testifying for him, that is putting it mildly.

from: Adam on July 21, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Also, this talk about the prosecutor does not have enough evidence that is complete horse feathers. I know for a fact that the prosecutor was going to have a hay day with Alex's brother (Brad).


Brad Walker (Alex’s brother) stated and I quote, “I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE ALEX’s STATEMENT”



from: Adam on July 21, 2010, 08:10:11 PM
Who called Alex and told him that he was sorry, and that he felt guilty about what happened. Not True? Yes, it is because that whole conversation was documented by a local attorney. Brad also stated to Alex that he has never nor would he ever leave his son alone with Tommy. Is that not true either? Yes, it is because that was also documented.



Brad Walker (Alex’s brother) also stated, "Alex is lying again, I have never talked with any lawyer nor had anything documented from my conversation with Alex"


One Family member stated that Alex made the comment that Bob Pickle and Duane Clem could not be trusted and they were out for money.

Again another report from a family member stated that Alex told them that he was going to sue the detective for revealing his name as one of the victims.

Yet Alex bragged to another family member that he was going to sue the “Church of God” for Fifty Million Dollars.

I have a whole list of lies that Alex has told. One member of the family summed it up by stating "that the majority of the family rarely believe what Alex says about anything or anybody."

No, Alex's mom was not going to testify on his behalf.
"Most startling messages will be borne by men of God's appointment, messages of a character to warn the people, to arouse them. And while some will be provoked by the warning, and led to resist the light and evidence, we are to see from this that we are giving the testing message for this time." Evangelism, p. 168.

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A new deletion

Postby Pat Williams » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:14 pm America/Denver

I posted this


Re: BREAKING NEWS - Tommy Shelton pleads guilty, faces possible prison time
« Reply #120 on: Today at 02:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Alex Walker on Today at 12:54:14 PM

I don't guess I understand this. Are you saying that all of these quotes that my mother supposedly said came from Brad?



I didn't intend to post here further, but do not want you to labor under or be upset unnecessarily due to a misunderstanding, or because I posted in a way which was confusing. You may not accept it, but I care for you every bit as much as I care for your mom, your brother, and TS.

It is my understanding and belief that Sam has talked to your mom. It is also my understanding, and this I can testify to, that Brad only spoke in reply to what your "buddy" Adam posted here to all about him, after being asked about that, and that none of what was posted came from your mom. You aren't the only one concerned about her, or your Dad. Smiley

Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him accuse and malign them. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like in reply and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on here and talk and post to the public about everything (including them). They know you lie as you have been caught online pretending to be one of them and engaged in "romantic" encounters, have been reported dead and had your employer call them, have told them a neighbor died only to call there later and have the dead neighbor answer, the entire family has prayed over you and lifted you up in prayer and had entire churches also do so due to your stories of having a tumor, and some wonder if they should change those prayer requests to a praise reports, as months later you have said nothing further?

You know none of that came from your mom or Brad, and you know there are problems. Why make this worse? Why not just move ahead, do the right thing and not be offended. I would not even have said this but you do insist on pushing things. Trust is earned, and it can happen. Especially when love and a desire to trust is there and those involved take the high road, and determine to follow the Lord.. Try and keep that in mind for all things work together for good to those who love God and are the called, according to his purpose. God has a plan for you.

« Last Edit: Today at 03:01:52 PM by Pat Williams »



So part of my post get's deleted. This part:
"as you have been caught online pretending to be one of them and engaged in "romantic" encounters, have been reported dead and had your employer call them, have told them a neighbor died only to call there later and have the dead neighbor answer, the entire family has prayed over you and lifted you up in prayer and had entire churches also do so due to your stories of having a tumor, and some wonder if they should change those prayer requests to a praise reports, as months later you have said nothing further?"


No explanation was given. I didn't even notice till Alex Walker asked me about it:

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Re: BREAKING NEWS - Tommy Shelton pleads guilty, faces possible prison time
« Reply #122 on: Today at 03:20:18 PM »
Quote from: Alex Walker on Today at 03:08:32 PM
Alex, you have to know there are those in your family who love you but have reason to not believe you. You shouldn't be talking about them in public. You should stop feeding Adam information and stories and having him do so. They are not gagged or bound and can say what they like and give their point of view since you and Adam decided to come on her and talk and post to the public about them. They know you lie.


Sorry, but I cannot respond to this under the advice of my attorneys because this will be rebutted in trial if it comes to that. I will say this I have no problem showing you my medical records.

I'm curious why you edited out? I have no problem with these accuasations being made public as I said they will be rebutted at trial.


I understand and apologize if I spoke out of line. I have no idea what might be brought up in trial. I had no problems with what I posted either and can only say it was not me who did the editing.... I wish whoever did so would have left a edit note and name as it wouldn't be so confusing. I'm sorry for that also. If the powers that be delete, I am not complaining here. ;)


Once again, I have no idea what rule was violated, and Alex said he didn't have a problem...
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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Pat Williams » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:52 pm America/Denver

I still don't know what rule was violated or why part of my post was deleted but an edit note and name has been added.
Edited to remove inappropriate material
« Last Edit: Today at 03:17:48 PM by George »

and a followup post by him which may offer his reason for censorship and bias:

Its easy walk all over and continue the demolition of victims of clergy abuse, isn't it. One of the primary reasons that victims of child sexual abuse, clergy abuse, and rape so seldom come forward and report it, is that they know people like Pat Williams are out there waiting to further victimize them. They most often feel that it is better to suffer in silence than to put themselves at the mercy of this sort of person. And Pat Williams has certainly demonstrated that their fears are well founded.


Someday.. all will be revealed. I really can't wait... This is so old and stale...
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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Pat Williams » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:42 am America/Denver

I received an email this morning from Sam saying " I am banned again from adventtalk for gross misconduct. I can't even read there." So I went to go see what was posted ... here is the post which triggered Sam's ban and was mostly deleted:

Sam wrote:
Kristina Fiscalini wrote:Danny knew about Tommy. All the family knew about Tommy. How do I know? I heard it from a Shelton...



Sister, it is well past the time for your slander, defamation and lies comes to an end. Yes we all know you "heard it from a Shelton" which we know is Linda. On the slim chance that it wasn't Linda, there are literally hundreds of Shelton first cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins who may or may not have the name Shelton and because of jealousy or some other motive may actually tell you something that isn't true! Can you believe it? There are people that actually lie about such things. You should know you are an expert.

Now back to the subject matter....it is high time that Christians everywhere be told that you are a pastor's wife and yet, have participated in some of the most vial, most cruel, demon like behavior on these chat sites. To think that a conference would pay a pastor who let's his wife behave in this fashion is a travesty. There is certainly enough in print to nail you to the wall with your own words and there are true Christians who are willing to start an email and letter campaign to the Swiss conference requesting your husband be fired or at the least, suspended until he can get control of you, his wife. Evidence of some of your most vile stories will be sent to the appropriate leadership in the US and Switzerland. You have crucified people that you don't know, have never met and some who have been deceased for years, as if you knew each one intimately. Enough of your part in this evilness. You know nothing at all. Did you actually think you could convince people that 1 year in the 3abn area made you know every detail of every waking minute of the 48 members of the Shelton Family???? Linda has done more damage to herself than she realizes by feeding you so many lies and tall tales. I for one will start my own petition, email, letter campaign and I will see that people here in the US know what a pastors wife has been involved in and there will be an outcry the likes that you have never seen against the conference of any country that would continue to employ a pastor who has a wife that has talked smut for the last 5 years. Again, your own words will convict you.


This is how the post appears now:


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Re: Sheltons express support for Tommy's victims
« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 06:56:22 PM »

: Sister on Yesterday at 10:20:59 AM
Danny knew about Tommy. All the family knew about Tommy. How do I know? I heard it from a Shelton...


Sister, it is well past the time for your slander, defamation and lies comes to an end. Yes we all know you "heard it from a Shelton" which we know is Linda. On the slim chance that it wasn't Linda, there are literally hundreds of Shelton first cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins who may or may not have the name Shelton and because of jealousy or some other motive may actually tell you something that isn't true! Can you believe it? There are people that actually lie about such things. You should know you are an expert.


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RED HAT ON

This poster was banned for one week due to gross violation of Forum Rules.

RED HAT OFF



« Last Edit: Yesterday at 11:19:23 PM by Artiste
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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Pat Williams » Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:35 pm America/Denver

Snoopy was in fine form and edited a few post of mine today. It was expected as she and Artiste imo just do that as GP almost every time I post , but as usual I'm not sure why the deleted content was deemed "innapropriate", as in what rule my words violated. Because of their scissors I save a copy of whatever I write, so here's the original and complete posts. The parts she removed have been replaced, and are in blue font.


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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #12 on: Today at 04:38:07 AM »

Quote from: princessdi on March 03, 2011, 04:00:55 PM
I have always wondered why people who came waaaaaay after the fact are always questioning the account of an eyewitness. I could never make sense of that one.



Interesting... That was my thoughts when I first read all on BSDA. Why are all these people on BSDA, like princessdi, and this Gailon Joy, and Bob Pickle person who came waaaaaay after the fact, and have nothing to go on but the perspective of anonymous posters like sister, ssom, watchbird (who weren't there or eyewitnesses) or axegrinders who were fired by 3abn, like beartrap and Johann, or the ex wife of an 3abn employee like Artiste who wasn't even married to the 3abn employee at the time questioning all the actual eyewitnesses at 3abn and the thompsonville SDA church, calling them all liars and refusing to listen to them? For example I remember when Kay Kuzma, and Dr Thompson, Brenda Walsh, Danny Shelton, Pastor Lomaccang, and a host of others who were first person witnesses --and only spoke up after they were all publically vilified and falsely accused by Linda's group, to attempt to correct the false reports and lies -- pointed out that Johann wasn't even there when the things they recounted occurred, and that he, like Gregory Matthews and the other accusers were just going by what Linda Shelton had told them, yet you to this day believe his accounts and tales without question, and continue to question and insult the actual eyewitnesses and believe them liars... as do others like guide4him...

Sad...

Edited only to remove inappropriate content from quoted post.
« Last Edit: Today at 08:55:18 AM by Snoopy »





Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #19 on: Today at 06:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on Today at 05:52:23 AM
And is that the same Almighty that you will have to answer to? And where is the evidence you would like to post to prove your position?

I am assuming you know that the Almighty knows the truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth. We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see...you should do the same Talk is cheap and the record is priceless...put your doumentation where your mouth is. Put the truth on the table Show me the evidence!!!

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As I said, it is not that either of us didn't do our homework, our differences I believe are due to our perspective and what we sought, and that is how we ended up at odds.

I do believe that the truth has nothing to fear upon examination. BUT--

I am sorry, but I don't trust this forum nor it's floating rules, nor it's administration to insure that they are enforced impartially or without bias, to insure that they are equally applied to each of us to insure that a proper and christian discussion could take place, nor I am sorry, do I trust you here. Right now I am waiting to be edited or banned just due to my posts this morning...

I do trust that could occur on the other forum, and think I could ensure they do, IF you agreed to stick to one thread, and to each issue one thing at a time, and agreed to abide by their rules, and agreed to come together and reason together as Christians are called to do. IOW, by avoiding insults, ad hominems and just dealing with the issues and points, as in questions answers, and documentation and evidence to support each.

What say you? And as it all started with Linda, does it make sense to you we should start with her first?
If not, what issue would you like to start with? And why? Do you think it fair that we could each bring up another issue, one specific thing at a time, and take turns doing so, maybe resolving them or maybe agreeing to disagree each time, (allowing others to decide for themselves) before moving on?

edited to add:
I do understand this somewhat: "We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see." and I am sure you realize without documentation that things cannot be credited. I also can not reveal all, but I think if those things could be explained as far as why they can't be revealed, then we could work with the rest and not worry about those things. IMHO


Edited to remove inappropriate content.

ADMIN HAT ON

Ya think, Cindy? You know you are banned here under a variety of other user names, so you find another way to come sneaking back blowing hot air, insulting people and breaking AdventTalk forum rules. And now you are "waiting to be edited or banned just due to my posts this morning..." You are indeed a master of the obvious!! And how dare you have the audacity to come to AdventTalk, insult AdventTalk administration and selectively invite those you wish to dialogue with to the other forum! Were you referring to the smut site? Is that where you want to have an open and honest dialogue? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Rolling Laughter Rolling Laughter Rolling Laughter

ADMIN HAT OFF


« Last Edit: Today at 09:10:57 AM by Snoopy »





Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #22 on: Today at 07:30:57 AM »

Quote from: Bob Pickle on Today at 07:07:13 AM
For certain, the same cannot be said about Brenda Walsh, another name from your list. She said that Linda bought the tickets for Florida against her wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hildebrand to purchase them. Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used.


Just to be clear, and so no misunderstandings exist. My offer of dialog doesn't extend to you Bob Pickle. Based on your reaction and posts for years now, I consider you unreasonable and dishonest with no ethics or ability to reason, and strictly obsessed with justifying yourself and condemning others regardless of what is said or made known. You twist and distort all imo, no matter what is said or by who in order to fit only your thinking, and engage in childish and petty arguments, mostly by majoring in minors and ignoring the main issues. Your word games, reinterpretations and misrepresentations of what anyone says, just to suit your thinking prevent honest dialog with you. I will NEVER attempt that again based on that. It's futile and a waste of time for anyone. So babble on.. without me.

Edited to remove inappropriate content, Cindy. You should know better by now. Toodles!!

« Last Edit: Today at 09:02:52 AM by Snoopy »


Interesting how she deleted my whole post to Bob but sees nothing wrong with putting on her Admin hat to insult me isn't it? Also interesting that she removed the anonymous login names of posters from my post to princessdi,and then tries to ID and out me. Even more interesting and warped is that she tries to prevent me from inviting Joy to take part in an honest dialog here and deletes my conditions for that, if Joy accepted. Really? What rule did that violate? Snoopy just demonstrated exactly why that dialog could never take place on their forum, so I'd like to repeat that part she edited out again here: I am sorry, but I don't trust that forum nor it's floating rules, nor it's administration to insure that they are enforced impartially or without bias, to insure that they are equally applied to each of us, or to insure that a proper and christian discussion could take place, nor I am sorry, do I trust Joy there.
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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Pat Williams » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:19 pm America/Denver

I reposted my AT reply which was just deleted, Here:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=421&p=2700&sid=41955924bd85b62689b2e8aa5eb8e186#p2700

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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Nestor » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:15 pm America/Denver

. . . he, like Gregory Matthews and the other accusers were just going by what Linda Shelton had told them, yet you to this day believe his accounts and tales without question, and continue to question and insult the actual eyewitnesses and believe them liars... as do others like guide4him...


The above is a generality, a lot of which does not apply to me.

I have defended Linda, but I do not beleive that it can be said that I have insulted actual eyewitnesses and/or suggested them to be liars.

It should be noted that much of my support for Linda has been due to aspects of these issues that came from others than Linda and were persusave to me.

Do,I intend to share those publicy? No! That is not my intent.

I am just saying here: the statement above is a generalization that contains error as it applies to me.

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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Pat Williams » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:43 pm America/Denver

:o It's a bit of a surprise to have you join us here after all this time, but you are welcomed nevertheless.

Nestor wrote:
. . . he, like Gregory Matthews and the other accusers were just going by what Linda Shelton had told them, yet you to this day believe his accounts and tales without question, and continue to question and insult the actual eyewitnesses and believe them liars... as do others like guide4him...


The above is a generality, a lot of which does not apply to me.


True, I know that, because I wrote it. :)

Nestor wrote:I have defended Linda, but I do not beleive that it can be said that I have insulted actual eyewitnesses and/or suggested them to be liars.


Nor would I ever suggest you did. I may disagree with you about things, but I also happen to think you a gentleman.
I may have expressed myself badly, if so I apologize. This was the only part I meant to apply to you: "like Gregory Matthews and the other accusers were just going by what Linda Shelton had told them". That is my opinion. The other part was directed at the person I was replying to.

That said, you can understand I hope that when you have two diametrically opposed versions of a story, both can not be true. That means someone ( sometimes both)is either telling falsehoods, or is confused, lacking knowledge, deceived, or all of those things. Most realize this so when one side is championed and defended the other is seen as one of those things. What I am trying to say is that even when we do not say "liar, liar"... if one side is championed or defended that implication is there. That's just the way it is, but we have a calling and example as Christians about how to deal with that. That's my unchanging opinion.

Nestor wrote:It should be noted that much of my support for Linda has been due to aspects of these issues that came from others than Linda and were persusave to me.


Understood, but please understand where we are coming from also. Those others are perceived by many here, including myself, as being persuasive on behalf of Linda Shelton because they too were going by her story and interpreting all according to their belief that she was telling them the truth, so for us it all boils down to Linda's version.

There's alot of He said she said in all of this, so we need to examine all diligently, logically, without bias and most of all prayerfully. imho.

Nestor wrote:Do,I intend to share those publicy? No! That is not my intent.

I am just saying here: the statement above is a generalization that contains error as it applies to me.


ok. Understood. Thanks. :)
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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Nestor » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:23 am America/Denver

Pat:
No need to apologize.

Yes, I do understand.

I just wanted to make a couple of points for those who might not know.

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Re: Adventtalk Deletions

Postby Truth » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:20 pm America/Denver

the complete post snoopy edited over on AT by SAM today 07-17-11

Got to love ya Bob. In your list of accusations I noticed you slipped in the word "reportedly" one million plus paid to the IRS. Reported by whom? You have been told repeatedly that after a lengthy investigation by the IRS into Danny and 3abn's financial records, that nothing was found, not even a minor infraction and no money exchanged hands between 3ABN and the IRS. Yet here you go again using the word "reportedly". Let's see what else you like to use: "I was told", "my sources say", "according to people close to the situation", "someone that was there said".....C'mon Bob! Everytime you utter those phrases you are participating in gossip, slander and heresay and therefore sinning big time! Spreading gossip is just as big of a sin as anything you accuse other's of doing. When you do come up with what seems to be a fact, you twist and turn it to fit your own agenda and edit out the parts that show your "fact" to be nothing like you have portrayed it. You can keep repeating your lies over and over instead of admitting all the heresay that you try and spread as facts but God knows and sees what you are doing and you will be accountable. OH, don't waste your time now on telling me what those at 3abn have "reportedly" done. We are talking about you right now Bob. You alone. That is exactly how you will face your creator...alone. And all your excuses about exposing sin in the camp and holding people accountable will be vapors in the wind when our creator says "depart from me, I never knew you". See Bob, when you stand before Him on that day, "you heard", "you were told" and "reportedly" won't be overlooked like it is here. Every bit of heresay that you have used to perpetuate lies and rumors will be written in the sand for you to see. Every minute that you lost trying to win souls because of your sick obsession with 3abn will be shown to you. All the unhappiness that you have caused your family with this same obsession will pass clearly through your vision and finally, finally, your eyes will be opened to all the wrong that you have done, to all the hurt that you have caused other's, to the damage you have done to God's ministry. And all you will have to lean on is "I was told", "I heard" and "reportedly".


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