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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Cynthia » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:07 pm America/Denver

Nestor wrote:Truth said:
How do you know God has not given us this mission.


I have already answered that question.

If you believe that your mission from God is to smear the characters of Linda, rather than proclaim the good news of salvation, Bob and Gailon, so be it. I certainly will not be able to convince you differently.


And perhaps, Gregory, you think that John the Baptist, who called for repentance and prepared people for the coming of the Lord (and who had that calling from the womb)was deluded? Perhaps he shouldn't have denounced Herod and it was his fault he got beheaded, and should have been proclaiming the "good news" instead? ? Perhaps if you had been there you would have been able to convince him otherwise, perhaps not.... and perhaps you would have thought it wasn't your job, or said " I certainly can't convince you"? But if not, why mention it? And Maybe you think this example does or doesn't apply... :? I have no idea.. Anyway...

We here, in case you don't understand, are defending, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM BEING AN ATTACKER OR AN AGGRESSOR in case you don't understand... (we, as those on adventtalk post, are often silent, as we have nothing to say. Your posts have caused talk and response where we wouldn't normally be saying or posting anything...-- WHY? --What is motivating you to do so? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEFENDING SELF AND PERSONAL OPINIONS AND VIEWS, AND DEFENDING TRUTH. CAN YOU DEFINE THAT HERE AND EXPLAIN IT? I RATHER DOUBT IT.... SORRY.... ANYWAY -- We all have lives, callings and work outside of this petty unchristian happenings, ugliness and lies. Do you understand that?) Our purpose is not to attack, BUT, ATTACKS occur. Sometimes in defending those who are falsely and unfairly attacked it is necessary to point out how the attacker and false accuser is wrong or not qualified or is not aware of, acquainted with or acknowledging all the facts .... AND SOMETIMES we have to identify proven lies and Liars and when that happens it is difficult to understand when others, such as yourself, say: "that is mean, or unchristian, or you are equally guilty with the liars for saying that", while refusing to see or acknowledge what engendered our words or why it was necessary. So we do that when we can..while not understanding the replies or responses. Our purpose is not to be a busy community with lots of posts etc, it is to combat lies and false accusations in a free atmosphere , a forum where we can do that and not be censored for trying to do so because others dislike what we say, or disagree with it and delete it or edit it all - calling it "inappropriate" or whatever....???" Adventtalk has in fact made it against their rules to link to , or name this forum, and deletes all references to it, and refuses to reply to complaints about their deletions and edits... We reference them, and what they post, we link to them, we quote them, we know that the truth rules. Why? well. we weren't allowed to post there, and still aren't, no matter how carefully we try to monitor the words used, or adapt to the rules. We aren't afraid of anything they say, or claim, while they apparently are afraid of what we may post or say, and that makes no sense to us, (Think! Suppression, censorship, etc, is how the antichrist power responded to Martin Luther and all the protestants, but, that is not how God's servants either then or now replied or acted whether in promoting the truth or in defending or standing for it, that is not even how the founding fathers of America saw liberty, freedom of speech or freedom of conscience. They did not harrass or invade the others privacy etc, as has been done to us. Do you really see both sides as the same? Do you see the same spirit in both sides? How can you? HOW CAN YOU? All are known by their fruits.)

We here have done our homework, we stated that when we founded this forum, we have asked the questions that 3abn's attackers did not. Our purpose was to find the truth, not to condemn any... Our purpose here in defending 3abn is to allow those at 3abn to stay on the wall, and to keep doing their work and not have to build with a sword in one hand as those in Nehemiah's day did. We stated that purpose here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334 and here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334 and our lack of association with 3abn was clarified further here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334

You can disagree, GM.Obviously you do You can say, "you need to be up on the wall, and stop attacking 3ABN's attacker, ie, Linda, Bon, Gailon... but as far as we are concerned and led, we are also guarding that wall, we do that in our private lives, and we do that here, so that 3ABN can reach out to the lost and the hurting and not be preoccupied with defending themselves while trying to do so. We wish it was not necessary to say Bob, Gailon, Mundall, Kristina, and Linda need to move on and stop attacking 3ABN and acting like they are the victims while they are in fact the instigators, the false accusers and rumor mongers the ones ones who keep attacking and throwing fuel and the fire while saying "look, I am getting burnt, it's not fair... I was just concerned, I was just trying to be christian... what did I do?"

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You have been given A LOT OF LEEWAY here, you are entitled to you opinion, your view, and can express that, you have done so. but NO MORE. Your opinions are not facts. ours aren't either, all needs to be examined and proven. I am sure you can understand that. All need to understand that facts need to b proved or can't be endlessly repeated. That's the way propoganda works, and although people believe the repetitious things, they AREN"T FACTUAL.

So, that said, please do NOT make the mistake of equating attack, judgmentalism and a lack of mercy, stalking and pettiness and personal attacks, and invasion of privacy as the same thing as defense, and call them the same, don't make the mistake again of trying to claim both sides have done the same without being prepared to prove how we have done the same as they. We will accept proof , we will acknowledge offense or wrong acts, but we will NOT accept empty accusations, ok? ( If you wish me to document all the offenses I listed above? Just ask and I will gladly do so)

It doesn't matter whether you think all are equally guilty. You may believe that, and you may continue to, but unless you are prepared to prove that we here are equally guilty, or that you have evidence and not opinion to defend Linda and that you are not judging all and are not guilty of what you accuse all -other than yourself of as if your opinion is God's truth-- your posting about this won't be allowed further.

You condemn all, AFAIC, and only exclude yourself. Perhaps you would be better following your own advice and not posting further considering your words here:
"In attacking the characters of Linda, Bob and Gailon, you-all are comming down off the wall to divert your time effort and energy to a mission that God has not given you.
spend your efforts, time and energy in accomplishing the mission that you say God has given 3-ABN." ???"
( In coming down off the wall to defend Linda regardless of the facts, and to find all guilty? Are you doing the work God called and assigned you to?)

Again, we did not say 3ABN's mission was this forum's, it may be in accord with it, but is not the same. All are called, all hopefully do as they are called, but even when God's people are in sync it is not always the same thing....

You posted that we should defend ourselves in court rather than posting, HELLO! we are not 3ABN (again our forum welcome and rules say that) we are not litigants, we are not involved in any court proceeding. We are not 3ABN, unless you can prove the opposite, stop implying that the members here are.



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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Nestor » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:22 pm America/Denver

Leeway: Yes, you hvae givenme a lot of leeway in my posting here. I appreciate, cknowledge and thank you for doing so.

I hear you saying that my "time of probation" :) has come to an end. O.K., again I thank you for giving me the time of grace that you have given me. I accept that the time may (?) Come when I will be banned. That is your rignt. This forum is your and the rules for postign are yorus to make. So, wahtever happens, I appreciate the time and feeedome that you ahve given me.

Probably,some of the issues discussed here are better suited for resolution private contact between individuals as opposed to posts that are open to many people in a seml-public view. I have been asked valid questions in this forum that i have ignored as iA did not want the conversations to be pulbic and dfelt that provate conversations would have been more productive.

Well, in any case, the best to you-all. The Lord is in charge. Ultimately it will all be resolved.

Peace,

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Cynthia » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:05 pm America/Denver

Nestor wrote:Leeway: Yes, you hvae givenme a lot of leeway in my posting here. I appreciate, cknowledge and thank you for doing so.

I hear you saying that my "time of probation" :) has come to an end. O.K., again I thank you for giving me the time of grace that you have given me. I accept that the time may (?) Come when I will be banned. That is your rignt. This forum is your and the rules for postign are yorus to make. So, wahtever happens, I appreciate the time and feeedome that you ahve given me.

Probably,some of the issues discussed here are better suited for resolution private contact between individuals as opposed to posts that are open to many people in a seml-public view. I have been asked valid questions in this forum that i have ignored as iA did not want the conversations to be pulbic and dfelt that provate conversations would have been more productive.

Well, in any case, the best to you-all. The Lord is in charge. Ultimately it will all be resolved.

Peace,


Smile, thanks, but I did not say your time was at an end or your probation was over, Nestor. In fact, it is not, and in fact, you aren't even on probation in my opinion, but the time for expressing your opinions and views without explaining or providing documentation for that is over, because no one here is going to accept your views/opinions without more and you have made those things known and been allowed to freely say them and so don't need to repeat them for we already understand where you are coming from. You can believe as you choose but we need documents and proof for you to continue posting about the things you have previously posted and even claimed. What I mean is you are gonna be questioned and what you claim or believe is gonna be thoroughly examined from here on out and you will be expected to answer from here on out. That's the way we try to operate here and you can question us the same way as it works both ways. If you can't or won't answer you need to stop repeating yourself in those areas. That is not to say you can't continue to post or express new ideas or post about other issues, you can.. I hope that is understood.
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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Nestor » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:31 am America/Denver

You posted that we should defend ourselves in court rather than posting, HELLO! we are not 3ABN (again our forum welcome and rules say that) we are not litigants, we are not involved in any court proceeding. We are not 3ABN, unless you can prove the opposite, stop implying that the members here are.


Yes, organizationally your are not 3-ABN.

However, in my opinion, you have become the defacto voice of 3-ABN. How is that: 1) You appear to me to speak to authority as to facts pertaining to 3-ABN. 2) The authority with which you speak leads me to beleive that you are not speaking on your own, but communicate with 3-ABN. IOW, to me your sound like the voice of 3-ABN. 3) 3-ABN, outside of the judicial system, generally remains silent. You (3-atalk) is just about the sole voice (at least the major one) speaking out in defense of 3-ABN, its people and ministry.

JUst my perception of you (3ATALK).

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Nestor » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:35 am America/Denver

Cynthia said:
Your opinions are not facts. ours aren't either, all needs to be examined and proven. I am sure you can understand that. All need to understand that facts need to b[e] proved . . . You may believe . . . but unless you are prepared to prove . . .your posting . . . won't be allowed further.


Yes, opinions are not facts.

The issue you raise is a fundamental one. Pilate raised it at the trial of Christ when he asked: "What is truth?" (John 18:38). What is evidence? What is truth? The reality is likely that there will never be agreement on this question. Evidence/proof is likely a function of our personalities. On some levels, psychology suggests that there are 16 different personalities. Our individual understandings of evidence/proof derive from: 1) The different ways that we percieve the outside world. 2) The different ways that we process the information that we recieve from the outside world. 3) Our different life's experiences.

Let me give you a personal example, Cindy: In one response to me, you posted some comments about the history of the Jesuists, as you understand it. [NOTE: I am not challenging your understanding of Jesuist history. I know and understand your references. Yes, I have read and understand EGW.] You suggested that your recitation of their history gave evidence/proof of your hypothesis. To me all of that was nonsense--not becasuse you are ignorant/stupid/dumb. I personally consider you to be none of that. Rather it is because you and I percieve the outside world differently and process that information differently. It is likely that because of that we will never agree.

In that post, you made a significant statement when you stated to the effect that I should do the research and you were not going to do it for me. There are times when it is simply a lost cause to attempt to develop the proof of an opinoin. Scholars of whatever tribe state opinons without being required to develop the evidence/proof. A biologist is allowed to opine that the human genotype consists of 46 chromosomes and not 48 without being expected to develop the evidence/proof. The fact that there are 46 has been established whether or not everyone agrees with it. That biologist should not be expected to establish the fact that there are 46 every time he/she opines such.

Cindy, while I do disagree with you on some issues. I respect you as a person of intelligence. My disagreement with you on some points does not mean that I devalue as a person.

There is another factor here, that is a matter of trust. When talking with friends, people I know, trust and understand, I am more open than I am in public discussions such as occur in this forum. IOW, I say things to some people privately that I do not say in pubic forums. In part because there is an established level of trust and in part because some things that may be said privately should not be said publicly.

Again, I do appreciate the leeway that you have given me in the past. We shall see how long I last here. I do not know. This is your forum. You (all of the leaders in this forum) can establish any rules that you wish. You have the right to ban all who do not play by your established rules. Whatever happens in the future, thanks for the ride.

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Truth » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:34 am America/Denver

I am wondering why it is repeated over and over by those who hurl their insults towards Danny Shelton are so desirious of him repenting of their "accusations." No reason to. Why? He didn't do anything wrong. There is nothing to apologize for.

Wow, what a novel idea. :shock:

Edit by Truth: Excuse me, I'm supposed to provide documentation. I forgot. Let me re-do this below:

I am wondering why it is repeated over and over by those who hurl their insults towards the Shelton family or 3ABN and are so desirious of some repenting of these supposed "accusations?" Could it be there was nothing done that was wrong, therefore no apologies forthcoming?

Added: Obviously I have no documentation, just throwing out the possible thought.

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Truth » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:56 am America/Denver

Again to clear up the rumor mill over on AT that likes to imply and say things that are not true. Louetta Kannenberg said this:

"How many here now have read it? It's a classic. Rather than gossip, we understand that it doesn't tell even all that was going on. Danny Shelton himself admitted that it was about him."

Obviously Louetta doesn't understand the definition of the word gossip.

To clear up one thing Louetta K. said about Danny Shelton himself supposedly "admitting" that it was about him IS NOT TRUE. Danny Shelton did not admit this was about him. He said it was obvious from reading it that it was supposed to be about he and 3ABN--that is NOT AN ADMISSION. Louetta wanted to make it sound as if Danny was admitting guilt written in this filthy piece of fiction.

It was so obvious from the beginning that Linda Shelton wrote that piece of fictional garbage. I only read a little bit and never read any more after that--it was so obviouly misconstrued rubbish and filled with the supposed intimate thoughts of Danny--NO ONE, not even Linda would know his thoughts. The author of that trash heap should be highly embarrassed. That piece of junk is only fit to start a fire with. And Louetta Kannenberg thinks it is a "classic?" There is nothing "classic" about it except that it is "classic filth" that no one who is a Christian should ever read or want to read. It is the figment of a diseased imagination.

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Truth » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:22 pm America/Denver

Elder Thorvaldsson, I don't need to prove a thing--common sense tells me it was Linda that wrote it or she dictated it to sister and she wrote it down. Either way, it came from Linda Shelton. Try proving it didn't.....

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Nestor » Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:03 am America/Denver

And that is the arguement that has been often used by those who have attacked Danny Shelton and 3-ABN.

When common sense relies on assumptions and is devoid of facts, it is often wrong.

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Re: Squelching Rumors

Postby Truth » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:37 am America/Denver

Linda denied having written the Televangelist? I have some land in Timbuktoo to sell you Johann!! :roll:

I didn't need to read that filthy trash all the way through in order to form an opinion on who wrote it. It was as obvious as the nose on my face. Really Johann, what are you going to do when everything hits the fan and Linda is exposed for what she really is? :shock:


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