And perhaps, Gregory, you think that John the Baptist, who called for repentance and prepared people for the coming of the Lord (and who had that calling from the womb)was deluded? Perhaps he shouldn't have denounced Herod and it was his fault he got beheaded, and should have been proclaiming the "good news" instead? ? Perhaps if you had been there you would have been able to convince him otherwise, perhaps not.... and perhaps you would have thought it wasn't your job, or said " I certainly can't convince you"? But if not, why mention it? And Maybe you think this example does or doesn't apply... I have no idea.. Anyway...Nestor wrote:Truth said:I have already answered that question.How do you know God has not given us this mission.
If you believe that your mission from God is to smear the characters of Linda, rather than proclaim the good news of salvation, Bob and Gailon, so be it. I certainly will not be able to convince you differently.
We here, in case you don't understand, are defending, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM BEING AN ATTACKER OR AN AGGRESSOR in case you don't understand... (we, as those on adventtalk post, are often silent, as we have nothing to say. Your posts have caused talk and response where we wouldn't normally be saying or posting anything...-- WHY? --What is motivating you to do so? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEFENDING SELF AND PERSONAL OPINIONS AND VIEWS, AND DEFENDING TRUTH. CAN YOU DEFINE THAT HERE AND EXPLAIN IT? I RATHER DOUBT IT.... SORRY.... ANYWAY -- We all have lives, callings and work outside of this petty unchristian happenings, ugliness and lies. Do you understand that?) Our purpose is not to attack, BUT, ATTACKS occur. Sometimes in defending those who are falsely and unfairly attacked it is necessary to point out how the attacker and false accuser is wrong or not qualified or is not aware of, acquainted with or acknowledging all the facts .... AND SOMETIMES we have to identify proven lies and Liars and when that happens it is difficult to understand when others, such as yourself, say: "that is mean, or unchristian, or you are equally guilty with the liars for saying that", while refusing to see or acknowledge what engendered our words or why it was necessary. So we do that when we can..while not understanding the replies or responses. Our purpose is not to be a busy community with lots of posts etc, it is to combat lies and false accusations in a free atmosphere , a forum where we can do that and not be censored for trying to do so because others dislike what we say, or disagree with it and delete it or edit it all - calling it "inappropriate" or whatever....???" Adventtalk has in fact made it against their rules to link to , or name this forum, and deletes all references to it, and refuses to reply to complaints about their deletions and edits... We reference them, and what they post, we link to them, we quote them, we know that the truth rules. Why? well. we weren't allowed to post there, and still aren't, no matter how carefully we try to monitor the words used, or adapt to the rules. We aren't afraid of anything they say, or claim, while they apparently are afraid of what we may post or say, and that makes no sense to us, (Think! Suppression, censorship, etc, is how the antichrist power responded to Martin Luther and all the protestants, but, that is not how God's servants either then or now replied or acted whether in promoting the truth or in defending or standing for it, that is not even how the founding fathers of America saw liberty, freedom of speech or freedom of conscience. They did not harrass or invade the others privacy etc, as has been done to us. Do you really see both sides as the same? Do you see the same spirit in both sides? How can you? HOW CAN YOU? All are known by their fruits.)
We here have done our homework, we stated that when we founded this forum, we have asked the questions that 3abn's attackers did not. Our purpose was to find the truth, not to condemn any... Our purpose here in defending 3abn is to allow those at 3abn to stay on the wall, and to keep doing their work and not have to build with a sword in one hand as those in Nehemiah's day did. We stated that purpose here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334 and here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334 and our lack of association with 3abn was clarified further here: http://adventalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5& ... 02728ab334
You can disagree, GM.Obviously you do You can say, "you need to be up on the wall, and stop attacking 3ABN's attacker, ie, Linda, Bon, Gailon... but as far as we are concerned and led, we are also guarding that wall, we do that in our private lives, and we do that here, so that 3ABN can reach out to the lost and the hurting and not be preoccupied with defending themselves while trying to do so. We wish it was not necessary to say Bob, Gailon, Mundall, Kristina, and Linda need to move on and stop attacking 3ABN and acting like they are the victims while they are in fact the instigators, the false accusers and rumor mongers the ones ones who keep attacking and throwing fuel and the fire while saying "look, I am getting burnt, it's not fair... I was just concerned, I was just trying to be christian... what did I do?"
You have been given A LOT OF LEEWAY here, you are entitled to you opinion, your view, and can express that, you have done so. but NO MORE. Your opinions are not facts. ours aren't either, all needs to be examined and proven. I am sure you can understand that. All need to understand that facts need to b proved or can't be endlessly repeated. That's the way propoganda works, and although people believe the repetitious things, they AREN"T FACTUAL.
So, that said, please do NOT make the mistake of equating attack, judgmentalism and a lack of mercy, stalking and pettiness and personal attacks, and invasion of privacy as the same thing as defense, and call them the same, don't make the mistake again of trying to claim both sides have done the same without being prepared to prove how we have done the same as they. We will accept proof , we will acknowledge offense or wrong acts, but we will NOT accept empty accusations, ok? ( If you wish me to document all the offenses I listed above? Just ask and I will gladly do so)
It doesn't matter whether you think all are equally guilty. You may believe that, and you may continue to, but unless you are prepared to prove that we here are equally guilty, or that you have evidence and not opinion to defend Linda and that you are not judging all and are not guilty of what you accuse all -other than yourself of as if your opinion is God's truth-- your posting about this won't be allowed further.
You condemn all, AFAIC, and only exclude yourself. Perhaps you would be better following your own advice and not posting further considering your words here:
"In attacking the characters of Linda, Bob and Gailon, you-all are comming down off the wall to divert your time effort and energy to a mission that God has not given you.
spend your efforts, time and energy in accomplishing the mission that you say God has given 3-ABN." ???" ( In coming down off the wall to defend Linda regardless of the facts, and to find all guilty? Are you doing the work God called and assigned you to?)
Again, we did not say 3ABN's mission was this forum's, it may be in accord with it, but is not the same. All are called, all hopefully do as they are called, but even when God's people are in sync it is not always the same thing....
You posted that we should defend ourselves in court rather than posting, HELLO! we are not 3ABN (again our forum welcome and rules say that) we are not litigants, we are not involved in any court proceeding. We are not 3ABN, unless you can prove the opposite, stop implying that the members here are.