Judgments and Criticisms

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Mercy
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Re: Judgments and Criticisms

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I can testify Tommy has been near death several times due to his heart and stroke problems. He has had these illnesses for many years, long before the accusations of Alex Walker. But for Alex to say it would not bother him if Tommy Shelton died shows how small he is. But Alex seems to think he knows more than the highly educated doctors who diagnosed Tommy. Alex thinks he knows more than the hospital personnel who tested and evaluated Tommy from those tests. Alex thinks he knows more than the Judge who was presented with the evidence from the doctors and made a decision based on it. Alex says Tommy has always faked all his illnesses. He has no proof of this. But Tommy's father died at a young age of heart disease and this has been passed down to all his children.They all suffer with heart disease as well as other ailments. It is a miracle they are all still alive. It is only because God has kept them alive to do His work. I have been keeping track of what is said on these forums and can say the 'character' of all shine through and has convinced me easily who is on the side of right.
Truth
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*yawn* :roll: Can't Pickle come up with a new set of accusations? He just keeps on repeating himself and really it is getting so old and BORING. He's been repeating the same ones for five years. Come on Pickle, put on your thinking cap and get creative. Surely you can come up with some new exciting titilliating accusations against Danny and 3ABN. Maybe if you and Johann and Linda Shelton put your heads together you could come up with something really sensational! :roll:

Come on, what's next?

PS: If I said anything to offend you it was purely intentional
uncovering truth
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The interesting thing is this, Alex is over there demanding proof. Robert, in his usually self-righteous, condescending, pseduo-Christian bellicosity is demanding evidence. It has been clear all along that Robert is right at Alex's elbow egging him on. Equally clear is the fact that Alex would have access to the evidence presented by Tommy's attorneys, through the Prosecutor. So, go get it Alex, give it to Robert, and you both will have the conclusive evidence that the genetic health issues, that Tommy has suffered from for years, are indeed the figment of no one's imagination. But, we know how you dislike and ignore the truth and real evidence, so we won't hold our breath here.

Now, what evidence does Alex have to support his claims against Tommy? It appears only his word. Now, that should make everyone stop and pause. There is plenty of first person evidence of his propensity to lie: he has done it with his family, he has done it with his church, he has done it with the courts, with his employers, there seems to be a significant pattern here. Pathological, who knows, but certainly it is a significant part of his MO. So, his case is based on his word. That seems rather shaky, especially under cross-examination. Wonder if he will take the stand? Wonder if his attorney is telling him not to?

Here is a novel idea, Alex you produce some proof . . . until you do, and it passes muster . . . Tommy remains innocent.
Mercy
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Neither Sam nor I need to provide any medical records as proof. The prosecutor, Tommy's lawyers and the Judge all have those records. And really Alex, it won't look nice for you when the Judge sees you believe he is incapable of making a decision concerning Tommy's health records, because you think Tommy Shelton is "faking" his illness. Don't you think he knows how to do his job. By your statement you are really saying the Judge is too stupid to figure it all out. Doesn't look good for you Alex.
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Re: Judgments and Criticisms

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Artiste
Re: Tommy Shelton criminal trials set for January.

Quote from Sam: ...TS has had a massive stroke... FYI TS would rather be at the trial next week instead versus suffering the effects of a massive stroke.

Quotes from Artiste (whose identity is well known): If Tommy Shelton had had a massive stroke, he would have been paralyzed.

According to some of the other information posted, Tommy would rather be having "massive strokes" than be present at a trial. I have no doubt that he has considerable health problems, however.

It is obvious that Artiste, despite her medical knowledge, really is only concerned about trying to defend liars and the devils imps. Massive strokes can do damage in numerous parts of the brains, which of course can have different long term results, but do not always result in paralysis. But it is interesting that Sam commented that Tommy was in significant rehab designed to help him learn to walk again (hhhmmm wouldn't limited paralysis require this, just sayin).

It's too bad that those (oh say 5 - 7 minions) who constantly post over there are able to direct the innocent to their site. What is known is that, for everyone they mislead, they are responsible to the Savior and His father.

The most telling commentary in the past few days is that of Alex who doesn't care (maybe even desires) if Tommy passes away. Murder in God's eyes?
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And Alex has yet to provide any evidence . . . other than his word. Until he does, his testimony is suspect. Funny how Robert demands reams of evidence - but takes Alex at his word when Alex has a legacy of lying.
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Artiste--you are really something else. Your hatred for 3ABN and Danny Shelton shines out clearly. Just because your ex-husband works there--and because you hate him, you have decided to hate Danny Shelton and everyone at 3ABN too. Enough that you hope your latest post about warning people in the pews not to give their money to 3ABN will influence them. Won't work. Why should Dan Jackson investigate 3ABN (wasting money people have given the church) when the IRS already spent our hard-earned TAX DOLLARS on an investigation years ago (that Robert and Fran turned 3ABN in to the IRS with unfounded accusations in the first place) and found 3ABN operating completely according to the law. (documented by the attorney's letter here: http://www.3atalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11) So when people give their money to 3ABN they can be assured it is being used exactly as they've asked for it to be used. All of Pickle's accusations against Danny Shelton were cleared by the IRS years ago--so really, why are you all still griping and whining about this? Don't you think it is time to move on and do something productive with your lives? Like help your neighbors or do something nice for someone? Really, it might make you feel more happy instead of being so negative all the time.
Mercy
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Re: Judgments and Criticisms

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Significantly, E.G. White wrote: “Instead of standing in defense of the faith once
delivered to the saints, they are now, as it were, apologizing to Rome for their uncharitable
opinion of her, begging pardon for their bigotry.” The Great Controversy, p. 572.

Should we give out Great Controversy? Of course!
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Lilly
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:lol: First someone thought Sam on AT was Mabel Dunbar. It was then declared it was definitely Brad Walker. Now it is Tammy Chance. There have been others mentioned too. I wonder who's going to be next. I would suggest you line up all the names and go eenie, meenie miney moe....and pick out your favorite name. :lol: Meanwhile we will all be laughing at you all over here. :arrow: :lol:
Truth
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Re: Judgments and Criticisms

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Oh Lilly, I love the "eenie meenie miney moe" idea---you can add the name of Samantha Nelson to the list of names too. I'm sure there are more but just can't think of them right now. :lol:
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