pbjelly has been getting to the Root

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pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Breezy » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:18 pm America/Denver

Over on AT pbjelly has been asking questions about Mr. Gailon A. Joy. pbjelly has asked respectfully about Joy claiming he had dealings with a Conference President in the area he lives. What I found interesting when going over the thread is that Princessdi comes on and tries to "divert" the conversation by introducing a huge long post. Then Snoopy comes on and answers her others. Good job anyman in bringing it BACK to the lawful subject. And then Bob blames pbjelly of being an "evil surmiser." We all know who the REAL evil surmisers are don't we. Here is the post about it:

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Re: Attorney Cindi Randall & the NY Pseudonym « Reply #20 on: Today at 06:07:38 PM »

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Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on August 29, 2008, 10:02:55 PMIn any event, I have come to the conclusion that I am glad I did not trade Cindy for Bob!!! I just wish she had complained to my conference president, as Bob and I just got them out of a pickle and solved a monstrous little problem that was plaguing a semi-retired former conference president and several of his parishioners. And the little miscreant has decided to move back to his homeland to avoid prosecution. Another job well done, BOB!!!
Mr. Gailon,

I spoke to Frank Tochterman, President of the Southern New England Conference. And I spoke to Dr. Donald King, President of the Atlantic Union Conference. They have not heard of you. They have had nothing to do with you.

Can you please explain this discrepancy?

Thank you,
PB






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Mr. Bob,

I earnestly wish to leave evil surmising alone. However, what I have surmised is logical and plausible in keeping with Mr. Gailon's actions. Debt collection is inherently a distasteful activity.

I will further surmise that Mr. Gailon's activities regarding his for profit rescue lending business and its subsequent closing were directly related to a new state regulation banning such companies from doing business. The attempt to camoflage the closing by blaming it on a faulty and probably fictitious mortgage application attempts to deflect attention from Mr. Gailon's business. The very idea of making a profit on people seeking relief is distasteful but seems in keeping with Mr. Gailon's involvement in shady businesses.

With regret,
PB

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Breezy » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:00 pm America/Denver

pbjelly--I just want you to know your posts are welcome here and no one will try to divert the attention of readers from your posts and no one will bother you about your posts here. Please report anything you find concerning Mr. Joy and his big talk!!!

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Penny » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:18 pm America/Denver

Seems like the thread over on atalk has gone "underground." Astonishing that once anyone or any thread starts to poke too close at any of atalk's fearless leaders or heroes, then oops! The topic gets moved to a long-term "members only thread.
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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Breezy » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:57 pm America/Denver

You are exactly right. It is really very sad. Because if it had of been DS, they would have left it for the public to look over.

Even more, the moderators over on Adventtalk ban anyone they feel like and remove their posts--usually if they get too close to the truth. I expect pbjelly to get banned one of these days. But it doesn't surprise me that Adventtalk does this because BSDA did the same thing. Princessdi was a classic act--as soon as anyone got too close to the truth--ZING and they were gone from the forum. Then when Clay started to see things a bit more clearly, Di stopped because she didn't dare. Then Calvin closed the 3abn section.

What is really sad is that even new people are treated disrespectfully and unkindly if they dare make a mistake over on AT. Many mistakenly break the rules and are banned with no warning at all. It sure leaves a bad taste in one's mouth to have this happen. That is why we opened this forum here.

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Gailon Arthur Joy » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:00 pm America/Denver

Tut, tut, Tut!!!

Fair and balanced would have required that you post my response to the clearly factually challenged PBJelly.

In fact, both Presidents know me all too well. Although Elder T has never yet been a subject of my reporting
activity, he was the beneficiary of an investigation we did. We found the alleged incidents reported by a few
non SDA members were malicious lies and we then set out to determine what their purpose was. In fact, one
had posted some very serious allegations at Black SDA. Our tracking of ISP consistently lead to a single individual.
We prepared a report and let the victims and Elder T know. They opted to file a criminal complaint and the attacker
admitted he was the sole source. A hearing was scheduled and the malicious attacker did not appear. The last I
heard, he had fled to his home country. That all happened within this calendar year. Would be a very faint memory
that did not recall the report and Elder T even wrote an exoneration letter for the victims.

Now, Elder King has been the subject of reports relating to his mishandling of the AUC debacle. He could not forget
the various reports we issued and the warnings to Officers, directors, conference officials and then even to constituents regarding clear maladministration. THe local newspaper picked up the story based on the documents we exposed and gave the AUC administration the headlines it deserved.

Regarding the premise that writing FHA loans to help victims of predatory loans from Option One and Ameriquest lending practices was a violation of Mass Revised Statutes, (Known as Mass General Laws) well I guess I am in the same camp with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac except their executives will get much bigger severance packages when the Government takes them over to prevent default. Wonder if I can get a bailout package like that???

I know the truth really hurts at 3ABN these days, but is fair and balanced dead here at 3Atalk.com as well?

Gailon Arthur Joy

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby steffan » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:35 am America/Denver

tut, tut, tut! PickledJoy !!!!

Seems like somebody has also figured out what a nasty man you are.

Making a profit on people already desperate to get out from oppressive mortgages? That is so typically like you. Couldn't resist making a profit? Oh, what an ugly caricature of Christianity you are!

Well, I'm glad somebody is exposing the blackness of your soul.

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Penny » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:57 am America/Denver

Gailon Arthur Joy wrote:I know the truth really hurts at 3ABN these days, but is fair and balanced dead here at 3Atalk.com as well?

Gailon Arthur Joy


To the first point of your disjointed question...the truth is what 3ABN exists for. The truth is what the IRS found.

Truth defined: "actual state of a matter" - " a verified or indisputable fact" - "honesty" - "accuracy of a position" - "the state of being true"

Did fair and balance ever exist at atalk? When have you been fair and balanced?

Tut tut tut.
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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby princessdi » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:10 pm America/Denver

If you want to know why I acted as I did as an Admin at BSDA, please ask, dont' assume anything. To tell the truth, I have no dog in this fight. I had never, ever watched 3ABN, they don't and never menat to cater to my.......demographic group. I wouldn't know Bob or Joy is they walked up and slapped me. This entire sorry mess to my attention withthe separation and divorce of Danny and Linda, I thought it was sad because I feel that way about all couples who divorce and both individuals are in a relationship with God. Besides thinking the action of Danny and the board was a lot over the top with the retaping, I was just praying for them both. Danny subsequently came or sent an email to Calvin about how disgusted he was, etc., claiming to be still in love with his wife, yadda, yadda, yadda. We would not find out until later that the quickie Quam divorce was at that same time in the works. So now, he came and was less than truthful, and we didn't even ask him a question, and we were the ones at the time who just said we would pray for them. A lot of unfortunate things are said and done int he midst of a messy divorce. Sorry just had to give a little background to those who didn't know.

As for having to moderate the 3ABN forum at BSDA, it was not pleasant. I saw a truly ugly side of Adventism that I never knew existed. To be honest the Admins at BSDA were way to busy trying to moderate that forum. Everybody trying to figure out who the annonymous members are on the other side, and you are still doing it here and AT. The really ugly, angry words slung around. Both sides just being genreally rude and un-Christ-like to each other and anyone who opposed them. As an Admin, whom ever I ruled against, called me biased in favor of the other side. So you oflks here will be surprised to know that I have also been called a Danny supporter when things didn't go the other side's way. I suspended or banned members for being disrespectfult o other members, and by Calvin rules, to the Admins. Many time when I would make a decision, in their zeal, members would take that out on the Admins, that is not allowed.

I am sure that the truth lies somewhere in between these two sides. I dont' believe Danny to be the spawn of Satan, and Linda is not sent straight from heaven or visa versa. As an outsider, I can see the issues on both sides, and really if you took the time to read any of my posts, I said that. I am not defending Linda, i don't know her either. I have my own ideas about this entire situaion, and it includes enough blame for everyone.

So Breezy, I don't even know who you are or were at BSDA, but I think you know that I am straight enough that if you have a question for me, you need to ask me, including who and where I am. Which, BTW is easily accessed. Just ask, folks, that is my request, just ask. But I will start with the first question........I stopped what because I didn't dare what?



Breezy wrote:You are exactly right. It is really very sad. Because if it had of been DS, they would have left it for the public to look over.

Even more, the moderators over on Adventtalk ban anyone they feel like and remove their posts--usually if they get too close to the truth. I expect pbjelly to get banned one of these days. But it doesn't surprise me that Adventtalk does this because BSDA did the same thing. Princessdi was a classic act--as soon as anyone got too close to the truth--ZING and they were gone from the forum. Then when Clay started to see things a bit more clearly, Di stopped because she didn't dare. Then Calvin closed the 3abn section.

What is really sad is that even new people are treated disrespectfully and unkindly if they dare make a mistake over on AT. Many mistakenly break the rules and are banned with no warning at all. It sure leaves a bad taste in one's mouth to have this happen. That is why we opened this forum here.

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby Cynthia » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:50 am America/Denver

Hi Di,

Me you know. smile


Yes these issues get ugly, mostly because the people get ugly, and often talk about each other like dogs instead of discussing the issues, and forget that it is possible to be courteous while disagreeing with another and leave out the ad hominems and personal comments, and arrogant demands etc.

I don't think that problem is forum specific, certain people just carry ugly and bias and darkness with them where ever they go like their own little raincloud. It doesn't make it easy on moderators or administrators, but I don't think ugly gets very far with readers and lurkers who are not involved in these issues, as those people tend to discredit and make themselves look bad on their own, and are their own worst enemies.

We are all works in progress tho, and are coming from different perspectives and views, and learning as we go, or at least I hope so...

Anyway my two cents.. and a warm welcome to 3atalk

Ian
~ Cindy

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Re: pbjelly has been getting to the Root

Postby princessdi » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:36 pm America/Denver

Hey Ian!!!! Yes, you I know,. You are one of those scores in the Arcade I can never beat! LOL!!

Yes, I definitely aree. There is an song by the late, great gospel singer, James Cleveland.. It's called, "Please be patient with me, God is not through with me yet." I know he is not thorught with me, this is why I can still love ALL of my christian brothers and sisters with Our Father's love.


Synthian wrote:Hi Di,

Me you know. smile


Yes these issues get ugly, mostly because the people get ugly, and often talk about each other like dogs instead of discussing the issues, and forget that it is possible to be courteous while disagreeing with another and leave out the ad hominems and personal comments, and arrogant demands etc.

I don't think that problem is forum specific, certain people just carry ugly and bias and darkness with them where ever they go like their own little raincloud. It doesn't make it easy on moderators or administrators, but I don't think ugly gets very far with readers and lurkers who are not involved in these issues, as those people tend to discredit and make themselves look bad on their own, and are their own worst enemies.

We are all works in progress tho, and are coming from different perspectives and views, and learning as we go, or at least I hope so...

Anyway my two cents.. and a warm welcome to 3atalk

Ian


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